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Episodes

Tuesday Nov 28, 2023
Commercial Real Estate Update with Cushman & Wakefield’s Rebecca Rockey
Tuesday Nov 28, 2023
Tuesday Nov 28, 2023
Rebecca Rockey, Cushman and Wakefield's Deputy Chief Economist and Global Head of Forecasting joined Thomas Grogan for a deep dive into the commercial real estate market on this episode of the podcast.

Tuesday Nov 28, 2023
Firms Must Balance Security and Personal Freedoms in the Age of TikTok
Tuesday Nov 28, 2023
Tuesday Nov 28, 2023
The following is an audio recording of a post that originally appeared on the Last Word Blog at www.acec.org.
ACEC recently held a webinar on the prohibition against TikTok on any device used to execute federal government contracts. Led by Holland & Knight attorney Jeremy Burkhart – a leading expert on government contracts – the session focused on the legal implications of the ban and what firms may or may not legally do to enforce it. The rule applies to the presence or use of any covered application on any information technology owned or managed by a contractor, including equipment provided by the contractor’s employees, unless an exception is granted.
Burkhart began his presentation with the backstory of TikTok: what it is, how it came to be, and why it has been the cause of such widespread agita among governments across the globe. He joked that those concerns are well beyond the obvious, namely wasting your time or socially stunting your kids. Instead, he continued, the overriding concerns are twofold: spying and propaganda by the Chinese government.
“The spying to me is the larger concern,” Burkhart said. “It’s not just a hypothetical. It’s a very real issue.” He pointed to an incident in which ByteDance, the Chinese company that owns TikTok, tracked three journalists who had previously exposed its links to the Chinese government and who had revealed that the company’s employees had repeatedly accessed American user data. ByteDance tracked these reporters’ IP addresses and user data to determine if they had been in the same locations as its employees in an effort to determine the source of the leaks.
This, Burkhart concluded, was not a rogue operation. Rather, it was sanctioned at the company’s highest levels. ByteDance is currently under investigation by both the FBI and the DOJ.
In December 2022, Congress passed – and President Biden signed – the No TikTok on Government Devices Act, which prohibits the use of the app on government devices. The law passed unanimously, with broad support on both sides of the aisle – a notable moment of agreement in deeply polarized Washington. The law requires the government to “develop standards and guidelines for executive agencies requiring the removal of any covered application.”
There have also been moves toward a more sweeping and outright ban on TikTok (which some countries and states have done) but the broad nature of the language stymied its passage. Momentum for such an outright ban has now slowed, and it’s unclear whether any legislation addressing TikTok will pass Congress.
Which leaves unsettled questions for firms with government contracts on how to enforce the ban, particularly on the personal devices of employees. Burkhart was asked about personal devices not issued by the company but used by employees to access company email and collaboration tools like Teams. Would such devices be included within the ban? And is that legal?
For firms, Burkhart said, the thornier question is not an outright ban so much as how to enforce compliance. “At the end of the day, there’s considerations that the company has to go through,” he said. “Either way there is some level of risk. [Firms] have to weigh all those risks.”
And in weighing those risks, it’s important that firms also take into account things like their own corporate culture and demographics. What size is your workforce, and are employees of a demographic that will even care about not using TikTok? How much does the company prioritize employee expression and separation of work and personal lives? And, if a company does opt against banning its employees from TikTok, is the company prepared for the potential fallout if there is a move for more expansive enforcement?
Burkhart concluded his presentation with a technical tutorial on what companies can do to mitigate the risks of TikTok for both the firm and its employees. Regardless of whether the government expands its reach on TikTok, Burkhart emphasized that the app does pose a real threat to users’ private data. “It is worth considering policies to address that threat, irrespective of any federal mandate.”
This webinar – and all ACEC education sessions – is available on demand and includes professional development hours (PDH) to all who successfully complete the course requirements. To view this presentation, click here.

Thursday Nov 09, 2023
Real Stories of AI Implementation with POWER Engineers
Thursday Nov 09, 2023
Thursday Nov 09, 2023
We sat down with POWER Engineers for our third podcast to discuss AI and emerging technologies. In this episode we discuss real stories of AI implementation and how POWER is harnessing AI to create a firm-wide tool to create efficiencies and new opportunities for business growth and performance.

Sunday Nov 05, 2023
A Closer Look at the Senior Executives Institute
Sunday Nov 05, 2023
Sunday Nov 05, 2023
Katie Goodman, Vice President for Education and Leadership Programs at ACEC speaks with Rod Hoffman and Barb Smith, lead faculty and program designers of the SEI program.

Tuesday Oct 31, 2023
Exploring ACEC’s new Technology Committee
Tuesday Oct 31, 2023
Tuesday Oct 31, 2023
Thomas Grogan, ACEC's Senior Director of Economics and Private Markets sat down with Raj Arora, CEO of Jensen Hughes, and chair of the ACEC Technology Committee to discuss the group's objectives and why it is critical to stay ahead of the curve on emerging tech.

Monday Oct 30, 2023
An Interview with CAMEE Chair Adam Rickey
Monday Oct 30, 2023
Monday Oct 30, 2023
We sat down with Adam Rickey, Chair of the Coalition of American Mechanical and Electrical Engineers to see what CAMEE is working on for its members.

Tuesday Oct 24, 2023
A Conversation with QBS Award Winner Alabama State Senator Clyde Chambliss
Tuesday Oct 24, 2023
Tuesday Oct 24, 2023
Each year, ACEC and NSPE join to recognize achievements in QBS, or Qualifications Based Selection. This year, we honor Alabama State Senator and Senate Majority Whip Clyde Chambliss for his tireless work to pass strong QBS legislation through the legislature and into law.

Thursday Oct 19, 2023
An Interview with Polar Explorer Ben Saunders
Thursday Oct 19, 2023
Thursday Oct 19, 2023
Throughout the Fall Conference, the power of translating human potential and wisdom across industries emerged as an overarching theme. Ben Saunders is living proof of how this multidisciplinary collaboration is already moving the engineering world forward. For those unfamiliar, Saunders is the world-renowned polar explorer and was the first person to lead an expedition to the South Pole and survive.
He explained to a Fall Conference audience how his experiences make clear that while we often think about technology as microchips and digital devices, the word applies evenly across all contributions of human knowledge. Saunders’s expedition to the South Pole took years to plan and four months to complete. To make this dream a reality, he would have to overcome three main types of challenges.
Along with commercial challenges (i.e., fundraising, equipment, and leading a team), he faced physical challenges (such as fitness, nutrition, and clothing) and cognitive challenges relating to the physical and mental stress of the journey.
When looking back on the mental preparations, Saunders “realized pretty quickly that that was the most important piece because when you’re out there, you can never really recover fully from one day to the next,” he said. “You’re always getting more and more tired. Every day you wake up and you’re just more tired, more tired, more tired in a sort of downward spiral.”
The statement resonated perfectly with the realities so many professionals face in today’s fast-paced and stressful work environments. That’s why Saunders spent years developing a strategy for the extreme mental and physical stress of the journey, including getting support from a well-respected psychologist. For Saunders, “it was vital having that sort of guidance and wisdom—good coaches and mentors and advisors that I trusted.”
Now, after spending almost two decades traversing terrains that are arguably the most unforgiving on Earth, he’s made a “weird pivot” to sustainable innovation, which seems a perfect fit for his skills and expertise.
“I’m enjoying being a kind of catalyst. Like, I’m not a scientist. I don’t have mounds of money. But I can raise money [and] I can point it in the right direction,” Saunders said with enthusiasm. “And find extraordinary talent and intellect and IP that I can kind of back, not just with capital but with my experience and wisdom—almost as a coach in some ways.”
When asked about his motivations, he said: “when we boil it down, I think that most of human wealth and progress, [as in] most value in business, has been created through extraction…it’s clear that trajectory can’t carry on. We need to push the limits of sustainable technologies, so that’s where I’ll be.”